the Gr8 APPEASEMENT Deb8
In January, The Greenfield Year 10 pupils debated the rights and wrongs of appeasement.
Feel free to add your own comments.
(If you are interested, you can see the comments made by a previous year group, or read another debate on appeasement here.)
Feel free to add your own comments.
(If you are interested, you can see the comments made by a previous year group, or read another debate on appeasement here.)
posted by MrJohnDClare | 8:57 PM
50 Comments:
If britain had Stopped Hitler in 1938, Before he built up his air force (the luftwaffe) The blitz may not have happened
Yeah, but they should not have started appeasing him in the first place. Did Chamberlain really think Hitler would stop once he knew he could get his own way?
I agree with Thouce because if britain stopped him sooner then war would havebeen avoided
Also how would you know that Hitler would have just gone to war with us anyway
i agree with thomas if we did stop him earlier then we would stopped a beatable Hitler at war but we appeased him way too much we need more action less talking. chamberlain was just part of Hitler jigsaw to build a better germany we were to nice for our own good to germany it was our fault we gave them the land so it was us who brought war on ourselves.
in my opinion it should have all bin nipped in the bud when hitler started building up his armies and if he had declared war ( wich in my opinion would have bin stupid) he would have lost because we had much more of a advantage over him he only had a tiny navy no airforce(luff waffe) and we had more man power than him it was not much of a advantage but we did have a advantage the war could have bin stopped in its tracks chaimberlin was just trying to be better than he was.
If it had been stopped in the first place then there would be less chance of war occuring. We should of nipped it in the bud before it was too late and the situation had gotten out of control.
i agree with anonymous. In my opinion Chamberlain was only delaying inevitable war, Hitler was a warlike man who didn't believe that Germany weren't beaten in ww1. He wanted revenge for ww1 and so did the Germans, thats why they elected him. obviously, Hitler knew that there was going to be war and wanted it too, but he was trying to gain as much land/ army enhancements as possible before Chamberlain stopped appeasing.
I agree with emmgan, when hitler knew he could get his own way, he would just keep wanting more and more. Appeasing him encouraged him to think he could have anything he wanted.
i agree with Chello the more he got the more he wanted.
When i look at half these comments im like what are you all going on about? Appeasment was the answer that saved many britains. If chamberlain had not of appeased hitler as much as he did, the british needed time and thats what appeasement bought us. Time to start preparing the weapons that would save our lives. Time to make safe shelters and teach people how to wear gas masks. Time to evacuate millions of children to safe houses in the country. I totally agree with appeasment. I mean if we had not of had the time that Chamberlain had bought us, the war would not of been won by the rightfull people. Chamberlain may have appeared weak by appeasing such a man as hitler, but in reality, he bought us time, and life for the next generation.
Appeasing hitler may have bought Britain more time to rearm and build up our armies, but it also bought hitler time to do the same, which meant when it came to war, Hitler's army was harder to defeat than it would have been if we went to war earlier.
if we had gone to war earlier we would have lost any way because we wouldnt have a big enought men we would have been defeated.
I disagree with Sopson's point. Not only did appeasement give Hitler time to build up his army
(it was still a lot more powerful than Britains)but it also abandoned many people like the Czechs and Austrians to the treacherous rule of Hitlers Nazis. People lost their freedom as they were so afriad of the nazis terror. For example, the Austrians who opposed German rule all got put in prison. They simply had no choice in the matter.
sopson what are you going on about! Hitler was a evil genius (yes i hate saying that but its true) And you do not appease a evil man like that because its like blowing up a balloon by appeasing him it was like blowing power into him and its making him bigger and bigger and then when he finally popped then started world war 2.
i agree with emmtin . if we had stoped hitler instead of appeasing him he would have never started world war 2
I know this goes against what i said at the start but after reading the posts i have changed my mind and i think if we hadnt appeased we wouldnt have won the second world war because while we were apeasing hitler we built air raid shelters, sent the children to the countryside. also i think that appeasing was probablly the best option for chamberlain. he probablly saved britain be appeasing.
I agree wit emmtin, artlee and Chello. Sopson, wot r u goin on about? How can u say that it bought us time? If we had stopped him in the first place we wouldn't have needed to prepeare 4 war. How can u say that it gave us more time and was a clever ploy? We could have stopped Hitler in the beginning, even if we had very little forces Germany had even less. Wen Hitler invaded the Rhineland France could have stopped him then and that might have averted the disaster if only 4 a little while.
plus, it didn't save millions of Britons it just postponed the deaths till a l8r d8.
I agree with emmgan. A point which i would like to make is that what did Chamberlain hoping to gain from appeasement. I think it was just moral cowardice, he was scared of a warlike country who spotted his political weaknesses and used it as a advantage. Chamberlain was just HOPING that peace would come, but he didn't take enough bold action that a prime minister of a great country should. Britain needed a strong leader like Churchill to show Hitler that Britain was a force to be reckoned with.
I think most of your points are deluded – have no political bases and are clearly clouded by prejudice. As soon as Hitler was mentioned you all thought Jews killed, evil, has one ball.
As a historian we should be able to look into greater detail. I agree with appeasement. For Britain Appeasement was a way of repairing the damage and ease of guilt from the treaty of Versailles. Today what Britain did then would be considered inhumane, unfair and unjust, and the whole country would riot.
We couldn’t ‘nip it in the bud’, as it is impossible to fight without an army, appeasement gave Britain time. Many people could have argued this; Churchill even said ‘There was never a war more easier to stop’, but I think that listening to politicians can be wrong, especially when they criticise the Prime Minister and in a twist of irony were to eventually replace him, making whatever Churchhill said irrelevant.
Finally I think that going to war would be like giving in. Britain- of the time- would have seen it like this, Chamberlain would have been overthrown, you try going to war when nobody supported it. Britain was a democracy –Chamberlain couldn’t go to war when his people wanted peace! Appeasement gave time for Britain to decide if it really wanted to go to war.
Anyway if all we did was go to war instead of appeasing- MOST OF YOU WOULD BE DEAD- or never existed! N emmgan the only other way than appeasement was war... so at least appeasement gave us hope of peace instead of just "it's going to end in war anyway... might as well get it over with" attitude most of you have. Considering we had just had a war, not many people would want another... you should try and empathizes with the people of that time. They would fear war, so it’s not that simple!!!!
i agree with what thouce said. if we had "nipped it in the bud"we would have saved millions of lives that needn't have been lost.
even churchill said,
"there wasnt a war that was easier to prevent."
I am going back to the last comment i made about chamberlain saving britian i know that millions died but if we hadnt appeased millions more would have died.
well thouce why did he have to appease hitler so much that he had time to get land a army and money so he became a strong and powerful country which was nearly as powerful as britain if not more powerful so now we weren't fighting germany but also austria,czechsolvakia and russia so we made it harder for ourselves
R u thick!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Thouce and katnes- r u so lazy that u can't even be bothered to read!!! if u can at all!!!
If you had of been bothered you would of realised that i was right all along. what i did say katnes was:
"Churchill even said ‘There was never a war more easier to stop’, but I think that listening to politicians can be wrong, especially when they criticise the Prime Minister and in a twist of irony were to eventually replace him".
If we hadnt appeased hitler then millions more of innocent people would have died. Appeasing hitler gave britain the time it needed to build up its defenses. however the fact that chaimberlain was such a push over didnt help.i agree with emmtin it should all have been nipped in the bud when hitler began to gain power.
ANDAGE- What do you think you are talking about aswell. Incase you forgot what you said: why did he have to appease hitler so much that he had time to get land a army and money.
What rubbish!!!!
Come of it. Hitler was no match for us... we won!!!!! If we had not had appeasement, if we all just rushed in, we would of been slaughtered in the very worst sense. We won the war, hitler shot himself. Your bieng pathetic!
melson and sopson u r the thick ones!
Sorry Sopson + Melson. But i think u r both rong! R u saying that it was rite to give Hitler all the countries he wanted? How can u prove that giving Hitler the Sudetenland was the rite thing? If France and Germany etc. met up and decided to give n. Ireland 2 s. Ireland wit out us bein htere wud u say it was rite? No of course not, because no matter how desperate a situation is we have human rites and it is unfair and almost illegal to take them away from us.
melson what do you mean if we hadn’t appeased him and went to war then most of us would of bin dead! We went to war in the end and millions of people died any way derrrrr....(read a history book) and it did not give us time because as I said in my first comment we had a advantage and as Churchill said "there was never a war more easier to prevent” so yes maybe appeasement is good for you but it did not prevent world war 2 now did it? oh and by the way chaimberlin was not biest he was a grate man and did alot more for our country than chaimberlin
you go girl!
I toltaly agree with thouce. If we hadnt given hitler what he wanted when he wanted it then maybe the war wouldnt of started in the first place because then he wouldnt think theat he could get away with any thing and every thing. If only we had said no in the beginning to hitler not being allowed to build up his army then thousnads upon hundreds of innocent people wouldnt have died because of our stupid mistakes.
Appeasement is both right and wrong. But if you think about it either way if we did or didnt appease Hitler there would still be a war in the end. If we appeased Hitler then we he would be encouraged to continue working to ge what he wanted. in my opinion i think chamberlain was right to appease Hitler so it gave everyone a chance to prepare and rebuild their army for war against Hitler. On the other hand if we didnt appease then it would of put Hitler in his place and then war could of been avoided.
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Yes,you say that it gave more time for Britain to rearm and so on, BUT WHAT ABOUT the rest of Europe??! What about them?
because chamberline agreed to sign an appeasement with Hitler, it encouraged Hitler to become more powerfull and take over europe. So while BRITAIN was preparing for war, sending children away, etc. THOUSANDS of inicent ppl were killed all over europe, because CHAMBERLINE decided to sign that crappy appeasement with HITLER...
I am so against the appeasement...! If he hadn't done it, it would have shown strength and dicipline from Britain.. !
Chamberlain should not gave in to Hitler.He should question Hitler when he invaded other country.Chamberlain was a peace lover, and this might be the reason that Hitler could expand Germany as he knew that Chamberlain would not start a war.
in my opinion,i think that the
policy of appeasement was a MISTAKE.(1)it encourages facism(2)a failure to prevent the world war II(3)enable hitler to grow stronger in terms of armed forces(4)the poa played into hitler grand scheme for greater germany in a dominant position in europe
in conclusion,i totally disagree that the poa is effective as it did not prevent the war from happening.
I think the POA has been very kind enough to Hitler that it allow Hitler to have greater Germany because Britain thought Germany had suffer enough under the TOV. Britain allow Hitler to do anything because it sympathize Germany but Hitler took advantage of in the wrong way and led to war. So I think it is not right to blame the POA fully because it was working for peace.
if britain had nt given a chance for Germany n Hitler to rebuild her army,there will nt b world war 2 and lifes will not be taken away by the war,therefore i think that it was britain's fault
The POA gives a brighter and peaceful future for the countries under POA but Hitler do not take that in his account and took advantage of it.
POA did help to maintain peace but at the same time allowing another war to begin.The pOA is not fully blamed as hitler was the major factor of causing the war too.
germany's aggressive behavious was always met with appeasement until she invade poland, it was like germany was hammering a glass, it has to break somehow and poland, shattered the entire glass piece. the allies had to do something about it, this tells us that sometimes, violence IS the solution to something .
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We shouldn't blame the entire problem on the POA.
Hitler was evil but smart. Everyone should know that.
Even if there wasn't the POA, some ideas from Hitler would also take place.
POA holds mostly the percentage of conflicts that was being portrayed. Chamberlain followed the POA & thus giving Hitler the "green light" to start the war.
Appeasement was the road to war, it allowed Hitler to rebuild the German Army and the Luftwaffe. It also allowed Hitler to complete his policies like to combine all Germans into a Greater Germany. War was too late!!!
There were many flaws in appeasement, not least that for peaceful resolution of diplomatic problems, the other party has to have honesty and integrety in its intentions. Chamberlian may have faired better with appeasement had he not have been dealing with Hitler, but this is subjunctive. Chamberlain, despite his good intentions was an awful judge of character, he believed Hitler was sincere when he handed over the Sudetenland in exchange for no more territorial demands from Hitler, but of course he was not.
Appeasement and Chamberlains mistaken beleif that peaceful settlement of German grievences as a result of Versialles was of higher virte than a military deterentalso proved the insurmountable obstacle to a Western-Soviet Alliance that would have been the only mechanism to stop Hitler's expansionism.
Munich was the greatest act of aquiesance in the face of a bullying tyrant and would be the mortal blow for appeasement, a policy that tried to consevre fragile peace in vain.
Statistics showed that there was a military build-up in Britain all the while Chamberlain was in office. His appeasement was buying time for the army to increase in size.
Czechoslovakia had a much worthier cause to be saved by France and Britain over Poland. It was virtually the only functioning democracy in Eastern Europe. Poland was a virtual dictatorship until recently then.
appeasment is silly
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